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hey everyone welcome to your fab live

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stream today's guests are going to be

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ron meyer and ellen mcgargle and

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i'm very excited to talk to you guys

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today and to interview them as well

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because this almost didn't happen

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because just roughly about half hour ago

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i was stuck in a ditch uh hit an ice

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patch and there was nothing i could do

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so anyway it got worked out i'm here now

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so i'm glad i didn't have to do another

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cancellation which i would hate to do

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anyway so

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uh later on today uh or i should say

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maybe about 40 minutes into it we're

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going to start a q a so for those of you

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who would like to ask the guests some

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questions

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you can simply put

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three asterisks before your question in

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the

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whether you're on youtube or twitch or

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take the

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download the telegram app and talk to

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the guest directly and ask some

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questions that way all the links for the

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telegram

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app are in the description below and so

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about 40 minutes should be enough time

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for you to install it in case you don't

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have it

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uh other than that uh both of them are

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going to be speakers at the ozark

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mountain ufo conference this year that's

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going to be in april from 8th till 10th

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you will have an opportunity to win two

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tickets if in the comments if you put in

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any kind of comment with hashtag

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ozark2022 and march 9th i will be using

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a automatic or an algorithm to basically

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pick uh pick a winner and you could be

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the lucky one so

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again like the video comment hashtag

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and um good luck uh if you don't want to

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able to win there's always this uh the

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link in the description below where you

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can just go and register for your

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tickets and uh about a it's roughly

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about a month from now that the

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conference will be happening so we'll

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give you enough time to get to hotel

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figure out travel arrangements as well

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so uh also as always in the description

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i have ellen's imdb and uh not ellen's

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i'm sorry ron's imdb page and some of

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other trailers and films that they

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wanted to share with all of you so

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please do check those out and see what

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okay so welcome all of you i can see the

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the chat room already filling up so

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it's the first time that i'm actually

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gonna have two guests at the same time

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as most of you know that watch this

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often so i'm hoping everything goes

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without a hitch but we'll see what

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let me bring in ron and alan uh welcome

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how are you both

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double trouble tonight huh

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right well i'm glad that we're able to

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to make this happen and um i guess it

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opportunity to finally get off my butt

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so

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we can do one thing we can talk about

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we're doing a series called the

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paranormal highway where we investigated

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five of these potential

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paranormal hot spots and i was just

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completing the edit on the one that was

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done in wisconsin

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and we went to investigate

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the beast at bray road have you heard of

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that

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no i have not

298
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it's it's kind of like a dog man maybe a

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dog man form a big a bigfoot and it's

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been known since the 30s

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it's a creature that

302
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takes the form of kind of a human dog

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hybrid

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i don't think it's ever done any damages

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but many people have seen it

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in this one area

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and so we went there

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hoping that maybe we could find

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we were looking for patterns of

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paranormal one would show up

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and in this particular

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particular place

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we had a number of very interesting

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things happen we got access to

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basically a field next to brave world

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prairie road is

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a very short road out of elkhorn

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wisconsin

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and it's so popular that

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the people who live along at the the

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farmers

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don't like you so if you stop your car

323
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they'll come out and yell at you and

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do even more chase you off with a gun or

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something but we had access

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to 35 acres right next to the road

327
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and we were we're going to see what we

328
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could what we could find and we had all

329
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sorts of paranormal

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things happen including

331
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um there was this one place along the

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hedgerow where the owner of the property

333
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said this this is where activity goes on

334
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and he wouldn't go in there so of course

335
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that was where we wanted to do our

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investigation

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he had previously showed us

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four five sets of prints

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kind of like big footprints but they're

340
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they're actually more dog-like prints

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of different sizes

342
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and they don't they don't match anything

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that's known in the

344
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normal lexicon of animal footprints

345
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there

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they have more more pads and more toes

347
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than

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any any animal that would be cruising

349
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around there

350
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but he also had

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one of the most remarkable

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trail cam pictures of

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ufos and you like ufos

354
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are you familiar with the pencil shaped

355
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ones that are somewhat well known

356
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yes usually uh from my experience people

357
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you know often

358
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give him the name of motherships

359
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okay so

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over this place that we call our sweet

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spot

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he had captured

363
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a sequence of of images of pencil shape

364
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ufos

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beautifully that would change

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configuration

367
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and the number would change you'd go

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from two to three to six and

369
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each time the

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trail cam

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grabbed a shot they would be in a

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different position and the numbers would

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change

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so this all pointed to this one

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one particular area

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that we set up our investigation at

377
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hoping to contact something

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and

379
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one of the things that often occurs is a

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felt sense of something a presence

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not quite not quite

382
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clear what it is sometimes it's just a

383
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feeling but other times

384
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there's sounds in the brush or

385
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like somebody's walking beside you but

386
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you can't see it it's not visual

387
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so

388
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that happened you could talk talk about

389
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that area that kind of phenomena which

390
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is

391
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another one of these paranormal hot spot

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type of phenomena alan

393
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yeah i mean that's this happened in a

394
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lot of places that we went to where um

395
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you know i've spent countless hours in

396
00:15:31,269 --> 00:15:28,959
the woods camping and doing bigfoot

397
00:15:33,590 --> 00:15:31,279
investigating and hiking and i used to

398
00:15:35,509 --> 00:15:33,600
volunteer as a naturalist in ohio and

399
00:15:37,670 --> 00:15:35,519
just a lot of time in the woods and i

400
00:15:39,269 --> 00:15:37,680
got you know to the point where

401
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when something was about to happen or

402
00:15:43,749 --> 00:15:41,600
was happening i usually knew right away

403
00:15:46,629 --> 00:15:43,759
that something was different

404
00:15:47,749 --> 00:15:46,639
and a lot of times it was you could hear

405
00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:47,759
something

406
00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:50,160
walking or pacing or sometimes it throws

407
00:15:54,629 --> 00:15:52,480
something at you or drops something or

408
00:15:56,389 --> 00:15:54,639
there's just noises basically that that

409
00:15:58,389 --> 00:15:56,399
don't belong

410
00:16:00,710 --> 00:15:58,399
and then it gives you this sort of

411
00:16:03,910 --> 00:16:00,720
almost hair standing up on the back your

412
00:16:05,590 --> 00:16:03,920
neck kind of feeling almost like um

413
00:16:07,590 --> 00:16:05,600
if you were to

414
00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:07,600
walk down the street and just open

415
00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:09,040
someone's front door and walk into their

416
00:16:12,150 --> 00:16:10,480
house uninvited

417
00:16:14,550 --> 00:16:12,160
it feels like that it feels like you

418
00:16:16,230 --> 00:16:14,560
don't belong there

419
00:16:18,949 --> 00:16:16,240
or it could feel like you do belong

420
00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:18,959
there or it could heal him that's true

421
00:16:21,990 --> 00:16:21,120
so you know the feeling you had you know

422
00:16:25,910 --> 00:16:22,000
in

423
00:16:30,470 --> 00:16:25,920
it

424
00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:30,480
so so that's that's one kind of

425
00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:33,120
paranormal phenomena that often occurs

426
00:16:36,790 --> 00:16:34,720
in these hot spots

427
00:16:39,189 --> 00:16:36,800
another one is that

428
00:16:40,389 --> 00:16:39,199
somehow or another whatever whatever is

429
00:16:45,269 --> 00:16:40,399
at play

430
00:16:47,509 --> 00:16:45,279
with our electronics in some way

431
00:16:49,269 --> 00:16:47,519
in the in the instant we have

432
00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:49,279
in wisconsin

433
00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:51,440
uh for some reason alan's book got a new

434
00:16:55,030 --> 00:16:52,560
camera

435
00:16:56,949 --> 00:16:55,040
and at a critical time he couldn't it

436
00:16:59,590 --> 00:16:56,959
acted like it was performing some

437
00:17:01,990 --> 00:16:59,600
function and he couldn't turn it off

438
00:17:03,829 --> 00:17:02,000
and so

439
00:17:05,110 --> 00:17:03,839
this is that happens at every place that

440
00:17:07,189 --> 00:17:05,120
we go there's at least one or two

441
00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:07,199
examples of something messing with

442
00:17:10,870 --> 00:17:09,120
electronics which is

443
00:17:13,669 --> 00:17:10,880
pretty inexplicable

444
00:17:15,270 --> 00:17:13,679
but then also at wisconsin

445
00:17:19,029 --> 00:17:15,280
we

446
00:17:22,390 --> 00:17:19,039
side to another that night

447
00:17:24,390 --> 00:17:22,400
and our host shade with choking who's

448
00:17:26,069 --> 00:17:24,400
who's quite a well-known bigfoot

449
00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:26,079
investigator and a guy who wants the

450
00:17:29,990 --> 00:17:27,360
truth

451
00:17:32,230 --> 00:17:30,000
um took out his laser as we were

452
00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:32,240
crossing the field

453
00:17:36,630 --> 00:17:34,960
and there was a

454
00:17:39,110 --> 00:17:36,640
me and the cameraman had driven around

455
00:17:42,070 --> 00:17:39,120
to the other side and turned off a car

456
00:17:45,270 --> 00:17:42,080
and at the spot we called our sweet spot

457
00:17:47,990 --> 00:17:45,280
there was a self-illuminating light

458
00:17:48,950 --> 00:17:48,000
and jay pulled out his laser

459
00:17:51,590 --> 00:17:48,960
and

460
00:17:53,270 --> 00:17:51,600
touched that self-moving spot with his

461
00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:53,280
his laser beam

462
00:17:59,029 --> 00:17:56,080
allen was with him he saw him do that

463
00:18:01,270 --> 00:17:59,039
and then later when we um

464
00:18:03,990 --> 00:18:01,280
got back and looked at the footage i

465
00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:04,000
called jay up and said well why did you

466
00:18:08,230 --> 00:18:05,840
why did you what were you doing pointing

467
00:18:09,990 --> 00:18:08,240
at that what were you thinking while you

468
00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:10,000
made us turn on the camera you touched

469
00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:12,400
that light and he had no recollection of

470
00:18:15,029 --> 00:18:13,280
it

471
00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:15,039
of what had happened his memory was

472
00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:16,720
completely wiped out

473
00:18:21,190 --> 00:18:18,240
along that whole

474
00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:21,200
whole trek across the uh

475
00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:23,760
the acreage that that from one side to

476
00:18:27,430 --> 00:18:24,880
the other

477
00:18:29,590 --> 00:18:27,440
he also did an interview an camera

478
00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:29,600
interview yet he told alan he wanted to

479
00:18:34,789 --> 00:18:32,080
do a little thing he talked about

480
00:18:36,789 --> 00:18:34,799
having fear and fight and flight fear

481
00:18:39,669 --> 00:18:36,799
and flight kind of kind of mumbling

482
00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:39,679
around didn't remember that either

483
00:18:44,549 --> 00:18:42,240
so there's another paranormal activity

484
00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:44,559
going on and in some places that's

485
00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:46,160
called sizzling

486
00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:48,400
or something paranormal kind of messes

487
00:18:53,110 --> 00:18:50,720
with your cognitive ability

488
00:18:55,270 --> 00:18:53,120
we had that example in our

489
00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:55,280
where we where alan had that example

490
00:18:58,789 --> 00:18:56,480
where

491
00:19:01,190 --> 00:18:58,799
we had we opened up the portal on our

492
00:19:04,070 --> 00:19:01,200
land in the rockies

493
00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:04,080
and then to top it all off

494
00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:05,280
when we

495
00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:07,600
got to the paranormal hot spot i mean

496
00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:09,440
the sweet spot

497
00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:11,039
we we

498
00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:12,320
first of all

499
00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:15,120
we took out our thermal and we got this

500
00:19:19,830 --> 00:19:17,440
intense area of cold

501
00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:19,840
which later we learned or we

502
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:21,840
is an indication that

503
00:19:25,350 --> 00:19:23,520
it's a portal when something's coming

504
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:25,360
through

505
00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:26,799
and that's that was

506
00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:28,320
one of the big examples in the

507
00:19:33,110 --> 00:19:30,640
skinwalker ranch series

508
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:33,120
so there's another paranormal activity

509
00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:35,280
this is all in one evening

510
00:19:38,549 --> 00:19:36,960
and uh what did i think i was just

511
00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:38,559
looking at the footage

512
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:41,120
it was a summer night or

513
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:42,640
early fall night and i think the

514
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:44,480
temperature was about

515
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:47,679
50 degrees and there was this cold spot

516
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:49,200
right where we were

517
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:51,600
right above where things were happening

518
00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:53,200
that was at

519
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:56,559
freezing 32 degrees

520
00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:58,880
and then the boys had this feeling of

521
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:01,280
some while we were getting the thermal

522
00:20:05,590 --> 00:20:03,919
the cameraman and jay had the sense of

523
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:05,600
something moving like allen just

524
00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:07,679
described

525
00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:09,440
and then

526
00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:11,360
so we said okay let's let's just walk

527
00:20:15,990 --> 00:20:13,760
away for a moment and we come back and

528
00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:16,000
then we came back and tell us what you

529
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:17,760
saw alan

530
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:20,720
yeah so we had to put a paranormal

531
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:21,760
device

532
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:23,919
in in the woods

533
00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:26,400
that was uh taking measurements and it

534
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:28,320
would audibly alarm if there was any

535
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:30,480
changes in temperature

536
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:33,440
or emf or anything like that so i was

537
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:35,760
going back in to retrieve it and when i

538
00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:37,440
had a headlamp on and when i sort of

539
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:39,919
leaned over to pick up the device

540
00:20:45,909 --> 00:20:43,520
these two eyes red eyes illuminated

541
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:45,919
from just inside the wood line maybe

542
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:48,080
would you say five six feet from where i

543
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:49,520
was

544
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:52,960
small

545
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:55,200
um but it was sort of plain peekaboo

546
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,799
behind this tree

547
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:58,559
uh back and forth and back and forth and

548
00:21:01,830 --> 00:21:00,559
it kind of would would move off and then

549
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:01,840
come back and look and come back and

550
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:03,919
look and that went on for several

551
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:05,360
minutes while we just stood there with

552
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:07,679
lights on watching it actually went on

553
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:10,000
for 12 minutes did it really wow yeah

554
00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:11,679
that sounds about right

555
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:14,720
and uh we're talking all four of us are

556
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,720
talking we're making a lot of noise

557
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:18,720
we're shining lights on it

558
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:21,360
and it had a fairly elongated body i

559
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:23,360
don't know if i ever told you that ellen

560
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:26,880
had large ears oh wow

561
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,679
so it was probably if it stood up it was

562
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:31,520
always on all fours as far as we could

563
00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:32,400
tell

564
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:34,159
but if it stood up

565
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:36,159
he would have been about two and a half

566
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,240
to three feet tall

567
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:40,320
which uh to somebody

568
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:41,679
the owner of the property so that

569
00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:44,720
corresponded to one of those

570
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:47,120
five cryptids that he thinks

571
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:50,080
he's witnessed on the property

572
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:51,200
so

573
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:53,760
this is an example of what can happen

574
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:58,159
in a paranormal hotspot in one night

575
00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:00,080
uh you said that

576
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,400
that cold chill is it always an

577
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,039
indicator of a portal or or

578
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:07,520
is it are there any other kind of things

579
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:15,909
um will you have you done any ghost

580
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:17,600
investigating

581
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,480
uh twice only but it was just on behalf

582
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:22,320
of someone else that was kind of doing

583
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:25,520
the guidance guided

584
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:28,400
tour with some kind of you know devices

585
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:30,080
and whatnot and seeing what can be

586
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:31,919
picked up

587
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:33,919
i mean i i haven't done any ghost

588
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:36,480
investigations alan's done some but it's

589
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:38,240
reported quite frequently that when an

590
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:39,520
apparition

591
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:42,400
appears in some way there's a there's a

592
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:45,840
burst of cold energy that comes over

593
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:46,960
right

594
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:48,480
yeah but what was different about this

595
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:51,679
was we were outside we were in the woods

596
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:54,240
and and we could visibly see with the

597
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:55,360
thermal

598
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:58,640
this sort of circular

599
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,799
you know um area that was just a lot

600
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:02,640
colder than everything else around it so

601
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:04,000
that's what made it unique it wasn't

602
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,120
sort of like a

603
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,360
passing chill or or something like you

604
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,600
might get with a paranormal case it was

605
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:11,520
clearly something that was somewhat

606
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:13,760
stabilized and consistent

607
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:15,200
in this area for at least for the time

608
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:17,039
that we were there

609
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:18,799
and we had we had encountered one other

610
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,440
of these on a property in the state of

611
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:23,760
washington another area where

612
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:25,600
it was a warm summer night i mean a lot

613
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:27,760
warmer than the was in wisconsin and

614
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:28,799
here's this

615
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:31,200
spot relatively small

616
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:33,919
you could walk into it and feel the cold

617
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,640
and when you uh when we put our thermal

618
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,480
on it there was this

619
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:40,559
deep dark area which is the way a cold

620
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:42,880
shows up

621
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,760
a temperature drop of 40 50 degrees

622
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:47,760
isolated

623
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:50,640
and then if you watch the skinwalker

624
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:53,039
ranch series their greatest activity in

625
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:54,240
the last

626
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:55,840
last season was

627
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:58,559
at this this outpost shed

628
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,799
where you know maybe the ranchers

629
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:02,880
stored stuff out in the field

630
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:04,640
they had a lot of activity in the middle

631
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,200
of that was the same phenomena i call

632
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:09,200
an extreme cold spot right in the middle

633
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:10,720
of the action

634
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,600
so the speculation is that

635
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:15,200
that's an opening

636
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:17,440
to the other side if you want to say or

637
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:19,039
a lifting of the veil

638
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:24,149
oh ron i don't want to change the

639
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:26,320
subject just uh uh something

640
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:29,039
what you said earlier you said dog man

641
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,760
did i hear it correctly

642
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:33,840
what what are the terms no just just

643
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:35,600
yeah i wasn't gonna go into info just

644
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,360
wanted to clarify you asked me said did

645
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,360
you see did you hear about the dog man

646
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:41,679
is that what you were saying

647
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:43,360
yes uh the beast of brave world is

648
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:46,240
described as a dog man right okay uh yes

649
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:48,000
yes actually i've heard of that i'm

650
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:50,000
sorry the way you said it didn't sound

651
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:51,919
familiar and then later on as you were

652
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,080
talking i was like oh he said dog man

653
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:56,000
yes we actually had several guests that

654
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:56,799
were

655
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:00,320
that are mainly i guess you can say

656
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:02,400
bigfoot researchers and

657
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:05,600
they often have brought up dogman in all

658
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:07,760
of their research and whatever else they

659
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,120
they found so

660
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:11,679
i've come across it don't have any

661
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:14,080
personal experience but then again i'm

662
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:16,159
pretty sure not a lot of people do

663
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:19,120
and so um regarding this then this

664
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:21,440
connection right between

665
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:22,799
um

666
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:25,360
alien and and bigfoot and whatnot is

667
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:27,840
that something that's drawn from just

668
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:29,600
this um

669
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:31,679
kind of like many years of research and

670
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,760
you go okay these these two things could

671
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:36,000
be related or was there something more

672
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,080
that kind of uh put them two and two

673
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:40,320
together

674
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:42,240
well the first thing that drew my

675
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:43,840
attention to it was

676
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:46,320
reports of many strange things

677
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:49,039
relating to a bigfoot sighting and a lot

678
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:51,520
of them weren't exactly

679
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:54,159
seeing a bigfoot it's these other

680
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,559
kinds of occurrences that are

681
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,799
interpreted as somehow being

682
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,960
brought about by bigfoot

683
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:02,400
for example

684
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:04,080
i shine

685
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,440
the um

686
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,279
that felt sense of

687
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:09,679
has been attributed to bigfoot people

688
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:12,480
have actually seen bigfoot

689
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:13,919
disappear

690
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:16,559
and merge into an orb or

691
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:17,840
a tree

692
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:20,159
and of course the most common thing is

693
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:21,360
that

694
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:26,960
to and this was the case at our side as

695
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,919
well

696
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:29,520
where footprints

697
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:31,279
there's maybe two three footprints that

698
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:33,360
start nowhere

699
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:35,600
and go no and go nowhere like two three

700
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:37,200
steps and then they're gone

701
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:39,039
there's no began no

702
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:41,120
long trail or track of a bigfoot

703
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:42,960
nobody's ever come across

704
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:45,120
it's always one or two footprints which

705
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:46,720
would indicate that they kind of pop

706
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:48,799
into existence

707
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:51,279
and then uh take a couple steps people

708
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:52,880
see them and

709
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:55,039
go back to wherever they came from you

710
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:57,440
think of any other the the aspects of

711
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:00,720
the smell alan talk about that

712
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:03,039
yeah sometimes there's reports of a sort

713
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,400
of a body odor or skunk type smell that

714
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,480
comes with some of these um sightings

715
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:10,799
i've smelled it smells like an animal to

716
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:11,760
me

717
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:26,630
so there's a whole collection of these

718
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:27,600
these

719
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,080
associated events that people say

720
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,640
in some way is bigfoot

721
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,559
and of course there are people who are

722
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:36,559
psychics or sensitives

723
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:38,720
we come across that saying they're

724
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,120
they're in direct contact with

725
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:43,919
with bigfoot that they can communicate

726
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,640
in sort of a telepathic way

727
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:48,559
not see them but still

728
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:50,399
feel their presence

729
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,159
and talk to them

730
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:54,799
and in fact

731
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:56,960
we were at the owl moon lab which is the

732
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:59,279
one i mentioned earlier we ran into a

733
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:01,039
couple who um

734
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:03,520
said they opened a portal on their land

735
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,960
and that they had some sort of

736
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,480
telepathic

737
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:08,799
contact with their bigfoot

738
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:10,880
along with the other usual

739
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:13,279
rock throwings bangings footprints

740
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:16,159
and so on and so we asked them at least

741
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:18,640
alan asked him how did you do it

742
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:20,480
how did you open a portal so the car

743
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:21,840
tries

744
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:24,240
what the heck can we open one

745
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:25,840
so we did you want to talk a little bit

746
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,480
about how we got going

747
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:30,399
yeah so what they told us was

748
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,919
that um if they're in the area and and

749
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:36,240
this is a possibility that we'd be able

750
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:39,440
to identify this area by using uh

751
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:42,799
divining or dowsing rods so these copper

752
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:46,000
pieces of of tubing that are bent over

753
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:48,399
um so i had some and we started to to

754
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:51,200
use those my my wife anna is pretty good

755
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:53,919
with them so we we did some

756
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:55,919
tests with that and it seemed to work it

757
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:59,120
seemed to be points in in a direction um

758
00:29:02,389 --> 00:29:00,480
as ron always says that we didn't want

759
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:02,399
to go because it's we have to cross the

760
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:04,159
river and climb up the whole other side

761
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:05,440
of this mountain and things like that

762
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:06,399
but um

763
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:08,480
eventually we

764
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:11,039
well i did make my way over there and

765
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:13,520
and followed these dowsing rods up um

766
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,480
they kept

767
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:16,559
you know pointing to this particular

768
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:18,080
area and i got up to the top and there

769
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:21,039
was a outcropping of rocks and as i

770
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:22,640
walked around the dowsing robs kept

771
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:24,880
pointing towards the the tallest biggest

772
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:27,840
rock in the middle um that was the area

773
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:29,200
that it pointed to and it happened to be

774
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:30,799
the only place that i really couldn't

775
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:32,960
get to i mean it was too high to really

776
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:35,679
climb up there um so on on a subsequent

777
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:38,640
visit i was able to get up there

778
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:40,159
with some effort and when i got up to

779
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,760
the top of this rock

780
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:44,159
i was really shocked to find that there

781
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:45,039
was a

782
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:47,120
perfect circle

783
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,559
maybe um

784
00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:50,399
a foot

785
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:52,840
in depth carved out of the top of the

786
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,840
rock i took some measurements and and i

787
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:57,760
didn't really get any unusual

788
00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:59,360
magnetic fields or anything like that at

789
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:02,080
that time but it was really interesting

790
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:07,990
and then coming back or going there you

791
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:10,159
got a bit sizzled too

792
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:12,799
yeah as i was heading up there um

793
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,360
i got probably maybe a third

794
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:17,600
close to a halfway up there and i got

795
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:18,480
this

796
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:21,279
very sharp pain inside of my face right

797
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:23,600
in my cheek going up into my eye and

798
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:25,279
everything got blurry and my eyes were

799
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:27,840
watering and i had intense pain and i

800
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,480
couldn't really see but i kept walking

801
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:31,919
and trying to get up there it was almost

802
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:34,399
like something was trying to stop me

803
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:36,880
and after maybe it felt like forever but

804
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:39,279
maybe a couple minutes or so um it just

805
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:41,679
went away and i was able to get up there

806
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:43,760
it was a really

807
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,399
weird and strange sensation like i said

808
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:48,080
it really felt like something was trying

809
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:50,960
to stop me from going up there

810
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:53,200
and then the other indication that

811
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:54,799
something

812
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:57,200
wanted to play was one of the

813
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,960
early spring days we were on our

814
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:00,960
property by the way we own

815
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:03,440
40 acres of land next to

816
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,399
to rocky mountain national park so where

817
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:08,320
we're in holders in the in the forest

818
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:09,760
and right close to

819
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:11,679
the big park so we have the

820
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:14,399
full complement of the ecology of the

821
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:15,760
big park and

822
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,840
along with all its animals but in one

823
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:19,200
spring

824
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,559
there had been a snowfall and

825
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:24,000
we came across

826
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,720
some prints that were quite interesting

827
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:28,720
and they seemed to wouldn't let me once

828
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:31,600
said a prince of some one creature

829
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:33,200
that originated

830
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:36,080
in an ant hill on an anthill

831
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:38,080
that was exposed above the snow i guess

832
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:40,880
it had melted a little easier

833
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:41,760
but

834
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:42,799
in the

835
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:45,360
it was like the footprints originated

836
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:47,440
from the anthill

837
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:48,799
and

838
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:52,080
they started walking off to the

839
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:53,519
to the north

840
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:55,760
and allen who's a little more robust

841
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:57,679
than i am decided to

842
00:32:02,310 --> 00:31:59,760
to track the presidency where they would

843
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:05,110
yeah so they um they went straight up

844
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:07,200
the side of the mountain it was fairly

845
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:08,960
rocky it was very difficult for me to

846
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:10,799
get up there and when i got up to the

847
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:14,080
top i was able to pick up the trail

848
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:16,960
and i followed them not much further

849
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:19,120
to the base of this tree maybe

850
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:20,720
it was like a pine tree maybe five

851
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,399
inches in diameter and then the

852
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,480
footprints just stopped

853
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:26,640
so the tree was probably maybe

854
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:29,600
10 15 feet tall so i looked up expecting

855
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,960
to see something and there wasn't

856
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:32,159
anything there

857
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:34,960
so i looked all around the area and

858
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:37,279
tried to find where these footprints

859
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:40,640
maybe picked up and went out or left and

860
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:42,399
there was no sign anywhere so they just

861
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:44,960
went to this tree and disappeared

862
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:47,760
it blew my mind

863
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:49,679
so they started

864
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:50,960
from nothing

865
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:53,600
and disappeared into nothing it's a

866
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,200
pretty typical of what happens with

867
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:57,600
bigfoot prince but we're not saying that

868
00:33:02,230 --> 00:32:59,840
was bigfoot maybe it was a dog man kind

869
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:02,240
of creature it could have been something

870
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,919
it could have been anything

871
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:05,600
the footprints were that not that

872
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:07,919
distinct because the um

873
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:09,840
there had been some melting and and they

874
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:10,799
weren't

875
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:14,159
fresh prints and fresh snow by any means

876
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:15,679
so

877
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,120
that was that kind of boasted our

878
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:21,120
our belief that something

879
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:22,559
paranormal

880
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:25,519
paraphysical wanted to interact with us

881
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:26,880
that's what we're looking for is

882
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,399
interaction

883
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:30,480
and

884
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:31,279
so

885
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:33,919
after we met this couple they suggested

886
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,919
two things to do

887
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,360
one was to

888
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:39,600
find some unique way

889
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,120
each time we went to our land to

890
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:45,039
introduce ourselves or reintroduce

891
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:46,159
ourselves

892
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:49,600
or create a situation where we say we're

893
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:50,840
here we want

894
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:53,360
contact we want we we want to know what

895
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:54,799
you're about so

896
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:57,440
so reach out to us and

897
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:00,320
alan had bought this drum that

898
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,200
we decided somebody had told us to

899
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:05,519
beating a drum three times

900
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:08,159
three times in a row was a way of

901
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:09,839
announcing that we're here and we want

902
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:15,750
so uh

903
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,000
let me ask you i'm sorry just to clarify

904
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:20,159
real quick so was this portal then there

905
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,079
and with the help of those shrouds you

906
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,800
were able to identify it or did i miss

907
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:26,639
something here were you specifically

908
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:28,639
doing something to to

909
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:31,679
i guess make make that portal appear

910
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:33,679
so so in this case i i can only

911
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:35,359
speculate um

912
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:37,760
i believe it was already there

913
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,679
but by the time i actually found it i

914
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:41,280
don't believe it was active there was no

915
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:44,079
signs of any energy or anything that was

916
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:46,800
coming through it so um

917
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:48,320
you know quite a bit of time had passed

918
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:49,679
from when we first started playing

919
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:51,760
around this idea to until i actually got

920
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:52,800
up there

921
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:56,000
um so i imagine during that time it it

922
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,440
was inactive or became inactive

923
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,440
was it the act of you looking that it

924
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:03,520
may be activated

925
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:06,480
that's what you think it's possible yeah

926
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:09,040
it's a good possibility that there's

927
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:10,880
some central magnet

928
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:13,119
at these places that draws

929
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,280
draws this activity

930
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:17,280
to the area and to the pla people who

931
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:19,839
show up there particularly to the

932
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:21,760
to kind of like the host of the

933
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:24,880
of the paranormal hot spot

934
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:26,880
and so

935
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,599
we wanted to after a few times of going

936
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:31,280
there and announcing

937
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:33,040
that we're coming and we we tried the

938
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:34,640
idea of gifting are you familiar with

939
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:35,520
that

940
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:38,400
concept it's another way of ask

941
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:39,440
not only

942
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:41,440
seeing or contacting but interacting

943
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:42,320
with

944
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:46,160
force it's uh

945
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,119
is that you sit put something out

946
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:51,440
and hope that it'll if you go away it'll

947
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:54,000
interact and move it around or give you

948
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:55,839
some indication that it's

949
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:56,960
that there's something there and it

950
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,920
wants

951
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:59,280
to let you know that it can play a

952
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:01,200
little bit with you right i'm familiar

953
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:04,320
with that yep okay and so i mean can you

954
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:06,079
maybe tell us a little bit more what was

955
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:07,839
the what was it like what was the

956
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:14,630
go ahead um yeah so i mean i gave too

957
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,800
much away here but we we basically um

958
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:20,640
had a feather i don't remember what kind

959
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:22,160
of feather it was but it was a bird

960
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,880
feather and we stuck it in this

961
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:26,880
sort of milk jug kind of

962
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:28,880
bottle with a you know a small opening

963
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:30,800
at the top just enough to sort of feed

964
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:33,119
the feather in and then we we took that

965
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:34,720
bottle with the feather inside and we

966
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,599
tucked it under this grouping of rocks

967
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:39,359
um where no one would find it it was

968
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:40,640
hidden

969
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:43,920
um and we came back a few times

970
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:46,320
and on the on the maybe the third time

971
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,640
second or third time that we came back

972
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:50,640
the the bottle been disturbed it was

973
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:52,839
laying on its side and the feather was

974
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,480
gone um so we got pretty excited about

975
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:58,560
that and as i was sort of looking around

976
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:00,880
the area down near

977
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:02,400
a little bit further away from there a

978
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:04,240
couple feet there was this crack in the

979
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:05,200
rocks

980
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:07,200
and the feather was sticking in there

981
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:08,880
perfectly sticking in the crack of rocks

982
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:12,240
so um to us it was an indication that

983
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:13,839
maybe

984
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,720
we'd been contacted

985
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:18,480
right

986
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:22,160
know because a lot of people i talked to

987
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:24,320
that that concentrated majority of the

988
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:27,680
time on going out in the field and doing

989
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:29,839
bigfoot research they've often reported

990
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:32,320
about weird things like sticks being

991
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:35,680
aligned and set up in certain ways um

992
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:37,119
you know stuff they would leave behind

993
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:39,280
it would just be stacked in this this

994
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:40,880
unnatural way where you know somebody

995
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:43,040
was actually interacting with it instead

996
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:49,750
yeah that's that's a popular theory

997
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,000
among among bigfoot investigators i i've

998
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:54,720
witnessed that myself

999
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,480
most of them i'm not too convinced of

1000
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:58,240
but there's definitely been

1001
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:00,640
you know i can count on one hand

1002
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:02,480
so not many but somewhere you really

1003
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:04,160
look at it and go that does not look

1004
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:05,680
right that does not

1005
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:07,760
look like something natural happened so

1006
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:11,040
i i've definitely seen that before

1007
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:15,349
maybe

1008
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,040
so this was in the summer that we got

1009
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:19,440
this indication so going to our land

1010
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:20,320
takes

1011
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:22,800
you we have to drive up the mountain and

1012
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:25,040
it takes it's it's no simple thing to do

1013
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:26,160
and then

1014
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:29,680
we're we're a locked gated community and

1015
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:32,000
double double gates and nobody can get

1016
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:32,800
in

1017
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,599
so it's very unpopulated

1018
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:37,200
and maybe there's a couple people that

1019
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:38,720
have

1020
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,079
all around

1021
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:44,320
so there this place where the feather

1022
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:45,599
was in

1023
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:48,000
and it moved out of the bottle is

1024
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:50,000
probably about

1025
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,760
40 feet off the road wouldn't you say

1026
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,000
ellen something like that yeah maybe a

1027
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:56,000
little more than that it's like off the

1028
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,760
road in down a little bit it sort of

1029
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:59,440
starts to go down down the mountain side

1030
00:39:02,069 --> 00:39:00,480
a little bit

1031
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,079
it is something you couldn't really see

1032
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:04,000
from the road yeah

1033
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,119
but so right right next to

1034
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:09,599
where where the where we had tucked the

1035
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:11,359
feather and got the feather out of the

1036
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:12,480
bottle

1037
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:15,200
he was in the fall and we came up there

1038
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:16,800
and right there

1039
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:19,280
dropped it as if it were re-gifted was a

1040
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:25,270
which you know freaked us out

1041
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:26,960
yeah

1042
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:30,079
uh no head no blood no organs

1043
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:32,400
um untouched otherwise

1044
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:33,839
right so

1045
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:35,920
some some legs were snapped some were

1046
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:38,720
cut clean cut

1047
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:42,000
and uh

1048
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,440
we had some other

1049
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:45,359
the feelings we had on that particular

1050
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,880
day were

1051
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,480
were

1052
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,400
strange to say the least i had a very

1053
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,560
strange

1054
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:54,720
feeling about it

1055
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,960
my daughter alan's wife had strange

1056
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:58,079
feelings i can't remember what your

1057
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,000
feeling was about it alan

1058
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:02,240
i was just shocked i mean

1059
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:04,240
the fact that we had sort of your

1060
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:05,359
typical

1061
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,680
cattle type mutilation i mean it was a

1062
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:09,280
deer in this case but it was

1063
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:11,040
it's just like something you see on tv

1064
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:12,480
and the fact that it was

1065
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:13,839
sitting

1066
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:15,599
right in that spot

1067
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:18,960
was no coincidence i mean that just

1068
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,119
i i remember i walked down i think i was

1069
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,440
the first one to see it and

1070
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:24,960
i just stopped dead in my tracks and i

1071
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:27,040
was like oh my god and i turned around

1072
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,040
and uh my buddy jesse was with me and i

1073
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:31,119
was like turn this video camera on and

1074
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:32,720
just go down there and tell me what you

1075
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:33,760
see

1076
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,800
so he did and he was pretty shocked too

1077
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:38,480
i was going to ask about specifically

1078
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:40,640
these feelings um from the sounds of it

1079
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:42,960
you don't necessarily let them

1080
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:45,359
scare you away you you're aware of it

1081
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:46,960
that it's happening but it's i guess

1082
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:48,560
something that you're going to have to

1083
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:50,400
kind of get over and just keep tracking

1084
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:51,680
right

1085
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:54,000
yeah i mean for me it's been about you

1086
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:55,440
know this is what i've been chasing this

1087
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:57,119
is i want answers i want to know what's

1088
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,640
going on i want to have encounters i

1089
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,240
want to have interactions so if

1090
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:02,000
something's happening i'm i'm going to

1091
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:04,079
it i'm not running away this doesn't

1092
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:06,000
this doesn't scare me this is why i do

1093
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,319
it this is what i do it for

1094
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:10,800
and i i've been a long time

1095
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:13,599
practitioner of meditation and other

1096
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:16,319
processes that have opened me up to

1097
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:18,400
other phenomena

1098
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:22,240
that uh like out-of-body experiences

1099
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:23,760
and a number of other things so this

1100
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:26,079
doesn't spook me and intrigues me i

1101
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,599
think something's

1102
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:29,599
trying to contact us and say hey we're

1103
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:30,640
here

1104
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:32,800
and the fact that

1105
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,880
we are filming it is an interesting

1106
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:36,560
indication so

1107
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:38,240
so without letting the cat out of the

1108
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:39,359
bag we

1109
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,880
we decided

1110
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:43,200
after our initial kind of like holy sh

1111
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:45,040
holy crap but what is this about we

1112
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,960
would come back

1113
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:49,040
and on the next weekend and we'd bring

1114
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:50,160
another guy

1115
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:52,720
and we'd bring some equipment to measure

1116
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:55,440
take some measurements around the

1117
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:58,560
the mutilated carcass and set up a trail

1118
00:42:02,069 --> 00:41:59,440
cam

1119
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:02,079
and that's when the fun really began so

1120
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:04,079
how much do you want us to reveal

1121
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:07,200
i probably wouldn't do too much more

1122
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,560
well you know hey

1123
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:10,079
this should be a good cliffhanger it's

1124
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:11,839
like check out

1125
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:13,839
the ozark ufo conference

1126
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:15,839
and not only that they get to meet you

1127
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,839
as well you know and that also adds

1128
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:19,839
that's a whole new dimension to

1129
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,640
to uh the information you hear about

1130
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:24,400
so we'll be telling the story in detail

1131
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,560
and we'll have you know photos from the

1132
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:28,720
scene and video and all kinds of other

1133
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,640
things to as part of a presentation so

1134
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:32,400
you'll get the whole experience uh in

1135
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,280
person

1136
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:35,680
i'll tell you one thing we actually got

1137
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:37,920
captured on camera a creature

1138
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,160
clear as a bill

1139
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:42,960
well so let me ask you then uh one more

1140
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:45,280
question here

1141
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,480
uh will it will you you mean you will be

1142
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:50,800
showing the footage at the ozark

1143
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:54,160
yes oh wow i'm i'm i'm excited now too

1144
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:55,599
i'm glad i get

1145
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,280
get to be there

1146
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,520
so let me ask you then one more question

1147
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:01,520
and then also while i'm doing that i

1148
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:04,000
want to then open this up for a q a if

1149
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:06,000
that's okay with you guys

1150
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:07,359
yeah that'd be great all right so

1151
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:09,280
everyone else watching if you can please

1152
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,000
start

1153
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,480
submitting your questions now as always

1154
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:14,480
please leave or put the three asterisks

1155
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:17,119
before your question or if you are on

1156
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:18,720
telegram right now

1157
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,560
simply raise your hand and that will put

1158
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,400
you in my queue and that's when i know

1159
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:24,400
you would like to talk to the guests

1160
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:25,200
so

1161
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,440
while i ask him uh that question i hope

1162
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:29,280
you take that opportunity to submit your

1163
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:32,800
questions so what i wanted to ask um

1164
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:33,520
so

1165
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:35,440
often people have all you know described

1166
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:36,640
that if there was

1167
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:38,240
uh there always

1168
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:39,920
things always just happening right

1169
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,319
outside of camera view or you know

1170
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,160
cameras would die down as you guys have

1171
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,319
mentioned or things like is you know as

1172
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:48,160
long as you have the camera on nothing

1173
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:49,680
happens the second you turn it off

1174
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:51,280
that's when all that stuff you know good

1175
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,200
stuff happens have you guys found that

1176
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:55,680
to be the you know the same same thing

1177
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,640
or is it is it kind of like

1178
00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:00,240
can do you think they might sense who

1179
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:02,000
you are and what you're there for so

1180
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:03,920
they maybe sometimes don't mind you

1181
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:06,400
recording certain things or getting on

1182
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,800
on camera

1183
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:10,800
we we think that they

1184
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:12,640
this is my opinion that

1185
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:14,800
they approve whatever they are he is and

1186
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:17,599
i have no explanation is approving what

1187
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:20,319
we're doing and it's allowing us to

1188
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:23,280
capture on film things that most people

1189
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:26,160
seem to not have the opportunity to do

1190
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:28,000
we i don't think we've we've never had a

1191
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,359
situation

1192
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:30,960
where we wanted to film something and it

1193
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:32,880
hasn't worked out

1194
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,880
yeah but we usually don't film what we

1195
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:36,560
think we're gonna film where we go there

1196
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,040
to film you know um a bigfoot coming

1197
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:41,200
through a portal instead we get some

1198
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:42,960
tiny little thing or something so it's

1199
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,720
it's always a surprise you never get

1200
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:46,880
what you really want

1201
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:49,520
but it we definitely have had success in

1202
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:51,520
getting things captured and i think it

1203
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,480
is something to do with the fact that um

1204
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:56,160
our approach and in the way we're doing

1205
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,920
it and our intentions and

1206
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,760
it's not it's not to make a million

1207
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:01,440
dollars and be the next

1208
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,119
hero of the world or whatever we're just

1209
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:05,280
trying to understand and share the

1210
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:08,079
mystery and and educate people on on

1211
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:09,680
what's going on out there

1212
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:11,599
and make it okay for them to have their

1213
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:13,119
own experiences

1214
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,000
for sure

1215
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:16,400
and to talk about them like like the

1216
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,760
little creature

1217
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:19,280
and it wasn't that little that we

1218
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:20,560
captured on

1219
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:22,480
on film

1220
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:25,200
in wisconsin the beast of bray road

1221
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:26,640
we were expecting something that was

1222
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:28,480
like seven feet tall

1223
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:30,000
and when it showed up

1224
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:31,359
small

1225
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,800
that kind of blew our minds that wasn't

1226
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:34,800
one what i pictured it would be if we

1227
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,160
captured something

1228
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,240
but it sure was

1229
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:40,079
quite interesting that some

1230
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:41,599
something would sit there and stare at

1231
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:43,520
us and move around and

1232
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:46,880
let us shine lights in his eyes and

1233
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:47,680
for

1234
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,880
like 15 minutes it was

1235
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:52,720
and we're talking and yelling and

1236
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:55,200
allen's all excited and

1237
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:57,760
and we got it on two cameras

1238
00:46:02,390 --> 00:45:59,760
not only one but two kind of verifying

1239
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:02,400
wasn't a camera malfunction

1240
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:03,839
so does that

1241
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,440
i don't know if we're special in any way

1242
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:07,280
but we certainly haven't

1243
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:09,040
it seems like something's blessing us

1244
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,040
every time we go we get stuff yeah it

1245
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:15,190
all right well thank you for you know

1246
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:18,160
answering that part so i think this

1247
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:20,000
the first question i have is from

1248
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,839
claudine g and i think you guys

1249
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:25,440
for the sake of asking your question

1250
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:27,440
i'll ask again i know you went into it a

1251
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:29,440
little bit but her question was how can

1252
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:31,280
you open a portal and i don't know if

1253
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:32,240
there's

1254
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,160
more pointers you might be able to give

1255
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:38,480
well i mean i think for us it was

1256
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:39,359
sort of

1257
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,680
by accident i mean we we set out to try

1258
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,680
to to do something but i don't know that

1259
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:45,760
we expected to succeed

1260
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:47,839
so i'm not exactly

1261
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:48,640
sure

1262
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:50,800
what it was i think it was

1263
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:53,520
sort of maybe a reward for

1264
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:55,119
you know

1265
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:57,119
for what we've done and what we'd shared

1266
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:59,680
i don't know what do you think ron

1267
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,640
uh

1268
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:02,240
i asked one of my colleagues the

1269
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:03,599
question

1270
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:06,640
what if it was so easy for us to

1271
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:09,280
to open a portal like this

1272
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:12,960
um other people must be doing it as well

1273
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:14,800
and he replied back yeah probably

1274
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:21,829
all right uh thank you for that so the

1275
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:26,240
other question is from sonia mcclear

1276
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:27,839
she's asking have you guys heard of

1277
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,319
scott nelson and i've had scott nelson

1278
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:32,640
on on before several times actually and

1279
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:34,559
i also have him speak

1280
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:37,359
at the conference he's also he and

1281
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:40,240
ron moorhead were the ones that ron

1282
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:42,720
originally i guess attained somehow

1283
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:43,680
these

1284
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,079
uh what he calls him the bigfoot sounds

1285
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,160
and then scott was the one that using

1286
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:50,319
his background in the navy analyzed

1287
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,440
analyzed it anyway the question is um

1288
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,680
have you heard of scott nelson and

1289
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:57,599
his team search with his parties in

1290
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:00,240
california sierra foothills they have

1291
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:03,200
some amazing uh documentation as well

1292
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:05,359
do you can you speak to that

1293
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:07,839
yeah i'm familiar with scott nielsen i i

1294
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:10,240
know he analyzed the sierra sounds uh

1295
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:13,359
i've uh i've met with ron moorhead on on

1296
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:15,760
a few occasions and and heard him speak

1297
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:18,240
and he talks about the analysis i'm

1298
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:19,520
looking forward to meeting him i've not

1299
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:21,119
met him before so that's one of the

1300
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:23,119
people i'm excited to meet uh when we're

1301
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:24,480
in arkansas

1302
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:25,760
um yeah

1303
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:28,800
scott nelson we know morehead quite well

1304
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:30,079
right right right

1305
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,680
oh yeah that's right i feel so silly

1306
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:33,599
he's god's also going to be a speaker

1307
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:36,640
there sorry but yeah totally

1308
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:40,240
uh right right um okay so the next one

1309
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:41,280
is from

1310
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,359
uh breathe and let go

1311
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:45,760
says do you think bigfoot is part of

1312
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:48,960
part human in regards to sumerian script

1313
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:52,079
scripts claiming our dna was altered at

1314
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,470
for me it was it was a possibility

1315
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:00,480
but i think

1316
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:02,400
i think that possibility is a little bit

1317
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:07,920
less now um just from my experiences um

1318
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:10,240
is it is it part of human now i don't i

1319
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:12,319
don't think so was it part human at some

1320
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:16,960
point it's maybe i i don't know

1321
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:20,480
i i have no sense that it is in any way

1322
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,000
related to us genetically

1323
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:26,559
is it just a just a feeling or or a

1324
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:31,190
um

1325
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:33,280
well part of it is that no real evidence

1326
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,359
has ever showed up that that would

1327
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:37,599
validate that

1328
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:38,480
that

1329
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,359
with dna evidence of of anything they

1330
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:45,200
would attribute to something called

1331
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,640
bigfoot that

1332
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,960
is legitimate as far as i know

1333
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:50,480
right

1334
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,760
okay

1335
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,760
well the

1336
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:55,440
yeah because that has there has been

1337
00:50:02,230 --> 00:49:59,040
quite quite a uh this brouhaha about

1338
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:02,240
just constantly dna dna and h it seemed

1339
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:04,960
like um in the early 2000s maybe my

1340
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:07,200
memory is a bit off now but it seemed

1341
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:08,720
like there was constantly somebody

1342
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:11,119
claiming they shot bigfoot and they have

1343
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:13,359
you know they have some proof and it's

1344
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:16,000
like after the first scam second scam

1345
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:17,440
after you know after a while you just

1346
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:19,200
kind of stop watching because you know

1347
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:21,520
it's either going to be

1348
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,960
some somebody in a suit or some you know

1349
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,720
carcass of some animal that's already

1350
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:29,040
known you know and um

1351
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,480
i don't know do you guys get frustrated

1352
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:35,750
i i don't we we're not looking for

1353
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:38,319
footprints and hair and in dna i mean

1354
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:40,480
we're we're sort of beyond that now to

1355
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:41,520
having

1356
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:44,160
these contact experiences um and that's

1357
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,240
much more fulfilling and a whole lot

1358
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:48,960
less frustrating

1359
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:51,040
yeah you know there's a whole

1360
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,640
whole new kind of religious religiosity

1361
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:56,640
underway attached to

1362
00:51:01,829 --> 00:50:59,680
the aliens and ufos and bigfoot mainly

1363
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:01,839
through contact experiences

1364
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:04,800
of one form another telepathic quick

1365
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:07,200
glimpses that seem to be designed for

1366
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:11,119
you that this has been going on forever

1367
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:14,160
and it does point to some aspect of us

1368
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:15,760
that we normally don't have in touch

1369
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:16,960
with or

1370
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:19,359
or perhaps it's a

1371
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:21,839
lifting of the veil of on

1372
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:24,160
a reality we don't normally get to

1373
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:26,720
experience see touch feel

1374
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,200
or encounter in any way and that these

1375
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:31,680
things seem to be growing in frequency

1376
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:34,960
and people are more readily sharing them

1377
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:36,720
so it's it's

1378
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:39,680
this isn't merged in the 21st century

1379
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:42,079
quite a bit particularly around ufos i

1380
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:43,760
would say you must have heard of that

1381
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:46,559
already haven't you

1382
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:48,319
which part

1383
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:50,559
the part that ufos is kind of forming a

1384
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:51,839
religion

1385
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:54,800
you know the memes from the x-files i

1386
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:56,880
want to believe and the truth is out

1387
00:52:00,870 --> 00:52:00,000
there right well in my in my experience

1388
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:00,880
well

1389
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:03,119
you know i think we're you'll find that

1390
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:04,800
you know i know we don't know each other

1391
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:07,440
very well but for me i see everything as

1392
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,960
one you know and uh paranormal uh

1393
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:12,960
cryptids like bigfoot and all these

1394
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:15,440
other things are new force it's um uh

1395
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:17,440
through my experience expression of of

1396
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:19,119
the one and the same but that's all

1397
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,839
whole another conversation and so but

1398
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:23,119
what i was going to say is that

1399
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:25,200
regarding this uh

1400
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:27,440
religious approach to these different

1401
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,960
things i find it that some people really

1402
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:32,880
find it interesting they they really

1403
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:35,040
love it and they get into the subject

1404
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,000
and so

1405
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:39,200
um for some reason some and it depends

1406
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:40,880
on from person to person

1407
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:43,599
um but it's not everybody that they need

1408
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,480
a validation and so they want someone

1409
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:48,480
else to believe they want someone else

1410
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:50,720
to tell them i see what you're seeing

1411
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:52,240
you know it's like what you're doing the

1412
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:54,240
time you're you're spending it's not in

1413
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:56,800
vain keep at it and so of course then

1414
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:58,800
you know if they don't get that it turns

1415
00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:00,640
into well fine if you don't believe me

1416
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:02,640
i'm gonna be even more over the top with

1417
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:05,839
it and so uh it's it's i found it that

1418
00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:08,880
it really kind of is based back down in

1419
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:12,319
the very most rudimentary of human uh um

1420
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,040
emotions is that the the need of for

1421
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:17,520
approval you know because i

1422
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:18,960
from my personal experience and many

1423
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:20,559
other people that when they've had

1424
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:22,480
experience on their own the last thing

1425
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:24,160
they need is someone else to validate it

1426
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:25,440
they know what they've seen they know

1427
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:26,720
what they've experienced and it's like

1428
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:28,160
they don't need anyone not to tell them

1429
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:31,119
otherwise you know and it's the the very

1430
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,359
few that kind of really get frustrated

1431
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:35,359
that oh god i wish i could see what you

1432
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:37,040
saw i wish i had the experience that you

1433
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:39,680
had you know only then does it turn more

1434
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:42,079
into this uh cult following but that's

1435
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:43,920
just my opinion just over the years

1436
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:46,000
that's that's what i'm kind of able to

1437
00:53:51,359 --> 00:53:54,309
okay

1438
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,030
all right so um well uh the next

1439
00:54:02,309 --> 00:53:59,599
question is actually from paulie coming

1440
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:02,319
in uh from telegram let me unmute him

1441
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:04,079
paul you're unmuted and you should be

1442
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:10,230
hey guys fascinating uh conversation and

1443
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:11,200
um

1444
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:14,240
i once met these guys called the navajo

1445
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,839
rangers and they had a lot of similar

1446
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:17,280
stories from their experience just

1447
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,960
working out in the desert

1448
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:20,640
and they mentioned that a lot of this

1449
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:22,079
stuff happens

1450
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:23,760
at i guess what they call is the

1451
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:25,760
witching hour which is like

1452
00:54:28,589 --> 00:54:27,440
two or three in the morning and they

1453
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:28,599
think it's because maybe the

1454
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:31,599
electromagnetic field is weaker when the

1455
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:33,760
sun's on the other side so you guys are

1456
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:35,760
talking about hot spots like do you

1457
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:37,440
think there's times where there's hot

1458
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:38,960
spot times

1459
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:45,190
we've heard that as well

1460
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:46,799
um

1461
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:49,839
i think our pattern doesn't

1462
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,720
usually

1463
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:52,480
a lot of stuff has occurred in the early

1464
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:56,079
evening darkness would you say hello

1465
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,760
yeah we don't you know a lot of these

1466
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:59,440
times we're we're not necessarily out

1467
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,799
there at two o'clock in the morning we

1468
00:55:04,789 --> 00:55:02,640
might be out there at nine or ten you

1469
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:04,799
know the early evening and we've had

1470
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:06,799
plenty of things happen now if it

1471
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:09,119
intensifies as it gets later i mean i've

1472
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:11,040
definitely had that happen

1473
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:13,839
but it's not been consistent pattern

1474
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:15,680
that i could say that

1475
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:19,280
that for you know absolute certainty

1476
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:21,119
you know the idea that there are places

1477
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,599
that are thinner to the other side it

1478
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:25,839
goes way back in history

1479
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:26,960
um

1480
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,000
many

1481
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:30,240
you know catholic

1482
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:31,920
saints and so on who had their

1483
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:34,720
experiences and they turn into these

1484
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:36,799
they build cathedrals on these these

1485
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:38,480
places that are thinner to the other

1486
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:39,440
side

1487
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:40,960
and then there's this whole theory of

1488
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:42,880
ley lines that there are these

1489
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:45,440
lines of crisscross ears and

1490
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:47,440
and they're they're indications of hot

1491
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:48,960
spots as well

1492
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:50,480
i haven't verified it but you know it's

1493
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:56,710
okay uh let me see it um

1494
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:58,559
uh paula pauly did you have a follow-up

1495
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:00,880
question

1496
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:04,640
yeah um i've also heard or maybe read

1497
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,319
reports of uh maybe bigfoot experiencers

1498
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:10,400
but instead of seeing it it's like a

1499
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:11,920
psychic

1500
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:15,040
projection of an image or something

1501
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:18,400
in their consciousness or their view

1502
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:19,839
have you guys had any experience like

1503
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:22,079
that or ever heard of anything like that

1504
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:23,440
if you know what i'm talking about maybe

1505
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,559
not

1506
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:27,040
absolutely answer your questions paulie

1507
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:29,119
yeah absolutely that's um

1508
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:31,119
that's been a big part of my journey in

1509
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:32,799
the last year here

1510
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:34,079
is um

1511
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,079
we've we've brought in some

1512
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:38,079
some psychic mediums

1513
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:40,160
um and and they've shown me some things

1514
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:41,760
and i've had some experiences with them

1515
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:42,559
that

1516
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:47,520
not just possibility but the reality and

1517
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:49,599
and those are some of the um the most

1518
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:50,640
special

1519
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:53,920
contacts that i've actually had um in my

1520
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:56,400
13 years of doing bigfoot encounters

1521
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:58,720
have been in the last year or so

1522
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:01,200
um with this type of interaction i'm

1523
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:03,280
actually currently um you know we film

1524
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:04,720
everything we do and i'm putting this

1525
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:06,160
together right now

1526
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:08,640
um my little film on my my journey

1527
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:10,720
through this called spiritual bigfoot um

1528
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:13,520
where i do make contact in that way and

1529
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,520
i'll have that available at some point

1530
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,359
so i can share that with everyone and

1531
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:19,520
how that works and and what process i

1532
00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:27,109
um okay i thought maybe uh ron you

1533
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:28,720
wanted to add

1534
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:31,359
if not that's all right

1535
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:34,880
i've had a profound visual sighting of

1536
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:36,319
some

1537
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:41,760
full-fledged integrated into the um

1538
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:44,079
the environment it wasn't uh

1539
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:46,079
an illusion and it was

1540
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:48,960
it was conscious it was white it was big

1541
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:50,640
and it looked at me and it came up a

1542
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:52,160
road and then turned around and went

1543
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:53,680
back so

1544
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:56,000
that's that's my most profound direct

1545
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:57,280
visual

1546
00:58:02,069 --> 00:58:00,400
contact experience

1547
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:02,079
it was actually on my way to visit ron

1548
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:03,440
moorhead

1549
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:08,870
yeah i was also um going to had a

1550
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:11,359
earlier this year uh i was going to

1551
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:13,520
interview ron but then he was moving and

1552
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:14,960
he was saying that we were best to do it

1553
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:17,040
later on in the year and i told him i

1554
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:18,720
have these ozark interviews to get

1555
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:19,839
through and then definitely going to

1556
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:21,359
have him on as well

1557
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:23,839
so um i guess last question then before

1558
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:25,839
we finish up is from

1559
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:28,559
higher ways women a woman

1560
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:30,799
asking do you know about crystals being

1561
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:33,680
used to create electromagnetic fields

1562
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:36,079
access in other worlds astro travel by

1563
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:38,559
crystals who is experimenting with

1564
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:44,069
we one of our paranormal hot spots was

1565
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:47,200
at the board camp crystal mine which is

1566
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:49,040
south where you are

1567
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:50,880
have you heard of it

1568
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,200
no i have not

1569
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:55,599
it's it's a place that's hold on i'm

1570
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:57,680
sorry i'm just gonna deny you this whole

1571
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:00,880
day so you say crystal mines

1572
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:03,040
board camp crystal mine right is it

1573
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:04,960
where you can go in person and you can

1574
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:07,520
mine crystals yourself

1575
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:09,680
yeah yeah okay all right then i do i'm

1576
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:11,200
sorry i i just

1577
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:12,960
i'm for some reason

1578
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:14,640
i i'm just having a difficult time

1579
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:17,520
hearing you today so please continue

1580
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:18,960
so there's

1581
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:20,720
there's a lot of activity associated

1582
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:22,319
with the crystals there

1583
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:24,799
including levitating ones that we

1584
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:26,799
that they have on camera

1585
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:28,960
and allen had his own

1586
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:31,040
rock experience there

1587
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:33,599
and they had profound visual experiences

1588
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:35,599
and we had some crazy

1589
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:37,520
equipment experiences there all

1590
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:39,040
associated with this

1591
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,520
this crystal mine so yeah stuff is going

1592
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:43,680
on in connection with crystals there

1593
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:45,280
well and the things that happened at tom

1594
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,799
powell's house are

1595
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:48,480
are exactly what you're talking about i

1596
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:49,520
mean we

1597
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:51,440
in our in our paranormal highway show

1598
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,880
we're going to cover that in great

1599
00:59:58,829 --> 00:59:54,240
detail with

1600
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:00,549
yep

1601
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:03,599
all right well so um in conclusion i

1602
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:05,599
wanted to i guess just leave the

1603
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:07,599
platform for each one of you to to

1604
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:10,000
finish finish off with something that

1605
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:11,359
you would like to pretty much end the

1606
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:12,960
show with

1607
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:15,119
i figured we'll start off with you ron

1608
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:17,280
if you if you have something or if you

1609
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:19,920
would like to go first

1610
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:22,240
i think these experiences

1611
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:25,520
these contact experiences these glimpses

1612
01:00:28,150 --> 01:00:27,200
are available to everybody in they're

1613
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,160
occurring

1614
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:30,480
more and more to people don't be afraid

1615
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:32,000
of them i think they'll be

1616
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:33,920
transformational for you

1617
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:35,599
and once you open up

1618
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:37,599
you'll have more of these

1619
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:39,680
and it's more like the world really is

1620
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:42,400
than the dull boring work a day world

1621
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:43,200
that

1622
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:44,400
we've been told

1623
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:46,000
are the essence of who we are and what

1624
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:46,720
are

1625
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:48,559
and what the world is it's much more

1626
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:49,680
exciting

1627
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:51,760
and unusual and they're growing in in

1628
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:52,880
frequency

1629
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:55,359
so open up and

1630
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:02,549
ellen

1631
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:04,319
yeah i would i would echo that sentiment

1632
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:06,160
the for me the

1633
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:07,760
the biggest

1634
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:09,599
block that i had that kept me from

1635
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:12,400
having these experiences was just my my

1636
01:01:17,670 --> 01:01:15,119
my mind my train of thought were where i

1637
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:17,680
was closed off and not open to

1638
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:20,400
so be open to what happens if you are

1639
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:21,280
out there

1640
01:01:25,990 --> 01:01:23,440
um doing this kind of thing and don't

1641
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:26,000
don't reject what happens to you um just

1642
01:01:30,549 --> 01:01:28,559
allow it to happen and enjoy it um i do

1643
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:30,559
have one if it's if it's okay a quick

1644
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:33,680
plug before i take sure sure no problem

1645
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:36,559
yeah i just launched a a new youtube

1646
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:38,160
channel called national paranormal

1647
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:40,079
network and we're trying to build this

1648
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:41,200
up

1649
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:43,920
so please check that out subscribe my um

1650
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:46,000
my future documentary the back 80 is on

1651
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:47,760
there for free you can watch that and

1652
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:49,839
we've got a lot of other really cool

1653
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:52,079
videos and interviews we just posted an

1654
01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:55,200
interview with nick pope uh unedited

1655
01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:56,799
um where he talks about all kinds of

1656
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:58,640
things including bigfoot so please check

1657
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:00,240
out national paranormal network on

1658
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:02,640
youtube and i really appreciate it

1659
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:04,240
yeah ellen i guess we're going to be

1660
01:02:08,549 --> 01:02:06,960
screening our movie about mario woods's

1661
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:08,559
contact with the aliens out in the

1662
01:02:12,309 --> 01:02:10,319
missile fields

1663
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:12,319
correct

1664
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:14,319
right the the um

1665
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:16,480
i forget exactly which day but yes there

1666
01:02:20,549 --> 01:02:18,400
will be your movie will be screened

1667
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:20,559
during that time

1668
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:22,559
yeah it's a remarkable story of a

1669
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:24,960
contact with some alien presence

1670
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:27,680
and manipulation of you know the

1671
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:29,760
electronics of the

1672
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:31,359
launch codes and stuff like that which

1673
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:34,079
is big time powerful stuff for something

1674
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:36,559
to be doing

1675
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:38,799
okay yeah no certainly i think um i have

1676
01:02:41,029 --> 01:02:39,599
that

1677
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:41,039
um

1678
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:42,880
did you did you send that link to me i

1679
01:02:47,349 --> 01:02:45,119
believe you did

1680
01:02:50,069 --> 01:02:47,359
probably because you said you had it

1681
01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:50,079
right so also ellen if that link

1682
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:52,640
regarding that website um um if you can

1683
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:54,559
send it to me i can add it later on in

1684
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:56,720
the description of this as well so then

1685
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:58,079
that way there will be there'll be no

1686
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:01,440
mistakes about uh which side to go to

1687
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:03,280
so well thank you both thank you both

1688
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:04,960
very much i i really appreciate it

1689
01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:07,680
looking forward to seeing you both so

1690
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:09,359
let me just uh finish up with the

1691
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:10,720
audience here and please don't hang up

1692
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:11,920
on me

1693
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:14,880
so um i certainly hope those of you

1694
01:03:20,789 --> 01:03:18,160
watching found this intriguing enough to

1695
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:20,799
join us at the ozark ufo conference in

1696
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:22,960
eureka springs in april

1697
01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:25,680
8th till 10th and

1698
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:27,760
as i mentioned at the very beginning if

1699
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:29,680
you would try if you would like to try

1700
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:30,720
luck

1701
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:31,680
if you

1702
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:34,960
any video leading up to the march march

1703
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:37,280
9th if you can in the description

1704
01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:41,119
put a comment with a hashtag ozark2022

1705
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:43,920
and like the video um on the ninth i

1706
01:03:47,589 --> 01:03:45,760
will run an algorithm that picks a

1707
01:03:50,069 --> 01:03:47,599
random winner and you can win two

1708
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:50,079
tickets uh to the conference so at least

1709
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:51,920
out of having to figure out how to get

1710
01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:54,480
there and finding rooms to stay you at

1711
01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:56,480
least have the tickets in the back

1712
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:59,280
and again in the description below

1713
01:04:03,510 --> 01:04:00,960
whatever the guest has sent to me and i

1714
01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:03,520
will update alan's information as well

1715
01:04:09,670 --> 01:04:07,119
check those out um uh and uh i hope you

1716
01:04:11,829 --> 01:04:09,680
you find more information or or get more

1717
01:04:15,029 --> 01:04:11,839
out of it if you did not during this

1718
01:04:18,069 --> 01:04:15,039
interview and so uh with with that being

1719
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:18,079
said uh again thank you both uh and